Nicola Barker: âI find books about middle-class people so boring â I feel like stabbing myselfâ | Books
As Nicola Barker admits, her new novel, H(a)ppy, âreally does mess with you in the endâ. About halfway through, she reckons, is where âit gets nutsâ, but to be truthful, the signs are there from pretty early on. Hereâs a quick precis, with no spoilers. Set in a future saved from floods, fires, plagues and death cults by âthe Altruistic Powersâ, itâs the story of Mira A, a member of the Young â" a generation freed from uncertainty, desire and emotional unevenness by constant regulation of the Information Stream and minute adjustments to preserve the balance of the Graph.
But thatâs only the half of it: on the page, type breaks up, symbols and pictures form themselves in the gaps, fonts jostle, and change case and colour to indicate a shift in the intensity of mood. A second story â" that of the history of Paraguay and in particular the classical guitarist AgustÃn Barrios, whose work Barker suggests listening to as an accompaniment to the book â" begins to intrude, much to the consternation of those keen to keep Mira A and her neuro-mechanical pet dog on an even keel.
In this brave new world, God has gone, there is no more recorded time and narrative itself is taboo. Narrative, Barker tells me as we sit in the riverside flat in east London to which sheâs in the process of bidding farewell, is what she uses to make sense of the world and its vast mysteries, and yet here in the novel âthe story itself is the destructive element. The thing youâre reading is the thing thatâs not permitted. So the words themselves are a breach of something, the telling of the story is whatâs wrong, and the urge to tell it is what continues.â
But this is more than an experiment in form, a writing exercise designed to divert and wrongfoot both novelist and reader. She concedes that H(a)ppy is recognisably a Barker novel: the disrupted and interwoven storylines, the sense of disorientation and mischievous playfulness that weâve seen in novels from the Impac-winning Wide Open to the Man Booker-shortlisted Darkmans and her bravura tale of golfing mayhem, The Yips. However, she insists that it has come from a very different place.
She experienced, she says, âa kind of internal combustionâ, an excess of energy that has been both destructive and creative. After she finished her last novel, The Cauliflower, the story of a 19th-century Indian mystic, she almost immediately began writing H(a)ppy, âwhich was not what I wanted, but I just did it because of what came to meâ. She entered a period of profound insomnia, sleeping hardly at all âbut really cheerfulâ, constantly working, whether at writing or more mundane tasks (âI donât really understand people who arenât always doing choresâ). She had overworked, she knew, for quite a few years â" she is 51, and this is her 12th novel â" and now seemed almost on the edge of mania. At the same time, her decades-long relationship with the writer Ben Thompson came to an end, although the couple remain close. She found herself in that patch of midlife where, assailed by physical, mental and emotional changes, the figure of on eâs teenage self comes into view, and âyou look back at them and you just feel a kind of joyful recognitionâ.
It was, in other words, all change, what Barker describes as âa kind of catastrophic urge that expressed itself in writing, a chaotic urge, but also a joyous one, and a destructive one. I felt I had to embrace it. And when I was writing the book, I realised that the book was going to explode into my life, and it did. Creativity for me has to be that way.â
In terms of her writing life, that left a lot to be negotiated. âIâm not destroying narrative for everyone, Iâm destroying it for myself,â Barker explains. âWhich is disastrous for me, because obviously I understand the world through narrative. When you destroy the thing that explains everything to you, then what is that process? What have I done? So the last year has been trying to understand why I did that, what it means for me. But also what it means in terms of the novel, because Iâve sort of deconstructed the novel to such an extent â" what is left of it?â
Should this make Barker sound solemn, theoretical, obscurantist â" even po-faced â" she and her books are anything but. In between talking about the death of narrative, we discuss her love of TV bridal show Say Yes to the Dress, which she watches from her exercise bike, Keeping Up with the Kardashians and Big Brother. Both in conversation and in her work, she is fascinating on popular culture, which she views as an enthusiastic bystander rather than a de haut en bas analyst. She used to watch Love Island, she says, but stopped when it became so fixated on sex, and hence duller: âHaving been something that was about actual emotions, itâs now become about posturing, the dance of emotions rather than the fact of them. I think realityâs increasingly about form rather than content.â
Unlikely as it might sound, the preoccupations and obsessions that resound through her work â" the idea of transcendence, of the relationship of the sharply felt self to an amorphous whole, the phenomena of faith, martyrdom, suffering â" are also present in mass culture. âThis isnât just something I choose to be interested in, itâs something I love,â she insists. âIf I watch the people on Big Brother being idiots and trying hard and making mistakes, I feel incredible warmth and love for them. Itâs really important to try and extend this love and joy everywhere. I hate snobbishness. I find the most interesting and complex things in really unpretentious places. Iâm always saying to people, Iâm not actually an intellectual. Thatâs not how I see the world. I am actually quite a simple individual.â
Part of this, she thinks, comes from having spent a portion of her childhood in South Africa, âwhere there is no class. There is race, and difference. And the unfairness of that, and the sense of disjunction that I felt, even as a small child, the sense that something didnât make sense and it was wrong.â Born into a working-class background, she is now firmly middle class, but maintains an indifference to the subject, and to anything pertaining to writers or writerliness: âThatâs not a stance, itâs just: Iâm not interested. And so I find books about middle-class people, or books about writers â" I just feel like stabbing myself and dying, because Iâm so bored.â
Friendly and warm, but not exactly what youâd call clubbable, Barker doesnât often find herself in the company of other novelists, but she did last year, on a British Council trip to Russia. She had a wonderful time, got on well with everyone, but nonetheless realised that âI was quite different to the rest of themâ. What does she mean? Whenever they spoke, she replies, they seemed to talk about how important inclusion and the creation of space for the reader were to their writing process. âAnd I was thinking, well, thatâs not what I do. I create an entire world, and I try to be inclusive because I try to write things simply and seductively, but at the same time the reader has to accept that theyâre entering a different world. They canât just say, thereâs room for me here â" they have to trust me and come with me on this journey into this closed world.â
A bit like Dante, I suggest: you can come to the underworld but donât complain if not everyoneâs nice? Barker roars with laughter. âItâs not about comfort for me. It can be fun, but I donât think everything should be easy.â Some of the writers she most loves â" Thomas Mann, for example, or Henry James, who she notes provokes fury in the reader by writing such inhospitable sentences â" have been âgenerally obstructive and complexâ. Once again, though, this is not a question of effort for effortâs sake, but more closely connected to her quasi-religious sense that âstruggle and suffering are some of the most beautiful thingsâ.
Barker comes from a Catholic background and describes her greatest interest as the inexplicable, insisting that âmeaning to me comes from beyond knowledgeâ. Right now, she is aware that her desire to interrogate faith and how it intersects with modern life puts her at the heart of current debate, but at the same time makes her thoroughly unfashionable. âWeâre in a society that thinks entirely about faith,â she argues, âbecause of our sense of encroachment by Islam, and our defiance against that because we have our own way of being, which of course is based in Christianity. But no one is Christian. So weâre trying to defend an ideal which we canât really define ourselves, which we almost entirely donât believe in. And weâre coming up against something which is quite overwhelming and encroaching and dictatorial â" some aspects of Islam â" and yet at another level, thereâs something so beautiful and glorious about it. And so I feel as if this conflict is entir ely about faith, and yet the one thing no one wants to talk about is faith.â
In her novel The Yips, she continues, she discussed the issue of Muslim women wearing full-face veils. âThat was because I found it really difficult encountering women in the full veil in the streets around here, and it used to make me feel uncomfortable, especially because of my deafness [Barker is partially deaf]. If I canât see a mouth, it makes me uncomfortable. And yet at the same time I knew there was something in me that found it beautiful. Itâs that contradiction always in my work and in the way I think about the world that brings the most beautiful and transcendent moments.â
Itâs vital, she insists, to constantly pick away at what youâre really thinking and feeling â" to refuse to shy away from it, and to accept that it may be contradictory and confusing. Barker is perhaps one of the most vibrant examples of a contemporary artist who refuses to be deflected from her work, or to make compromises in pursuing her aims. Although, she admits, she did have to cede ground on the novelâs title: that bracketed (a) was originally going to be upside down, to indicate that all was not hunky dory in Mira Aâs world, but so fiddly and expensive was the bookâs design that something had to give.
âYou canât conceive of how many problems Iâve generated in this book!â she laughs, but actually, I can. Many years ago, I published a short story of hers in Granta magazine. It was entitled âThe Burley Cross Postbox Theftâ, and went on to become the title piece in a book, one of the more comic, shorter novels with which Barker intersperses her longer works. The story consisted of a letter, written by an angry resident to a public official, concerning the disposal of canine excrement. It became madder and madder. It also contained precisely 100 footnotes, each of which had to be carefully positioned for maximum effect. Extreme layout challenges are hardly the stuff of high-end creative endeavour; nonetheless, itâs a testament to the brilliance of that piece of writing that computers and proofs were not ejected from windows. But thatâs the thing with Nicola Barker: once youâre on board for the ride, thereâs no getting off.
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